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Sunday Feast Lecture

Bhagavad-gita 7.2

Vilnius, Lithuania


om namo bhagavate vasudevaya

[Gurudeva sings three times and devotees repeat]

[Lecture translated in Lithuanian by a devotee]

So we are very happy to be with you here today. We are traveling all over the world to spread this science of Krishna consciousness. And we find that Lithuania is one of the nicest places in the world for Krishna consciousness, because the devotees here are so enthusiastic for chanting. So Vishnupriya Mataji and I are always very, very happy when we come to Lithuania. We wanted to share with you today some of the secrets of how you can quickly advance in Krishna consciousness. Why suffer unnecessarily in ignorance when you can quickly achieve the platform of transcendental bliss? Is there anybody in this room today that will prefer suffering over ecstasy? So if you would rather be happy than be miserable then kindly give me your undivided attention. And we will reveal to you today some of the insider secrets of how to become spiritually enlightened.

So today we are reading from Bhagavad-gita Chapter number 7, text number 2.

jñanam te ham sa-vijñanam
idam vaksyamy asesatah
yaj jñatva neha bhuyo nyaj
jñatavyam avasisyate


“I shall now declare unto you in full this knowledge, both phenomenal and numinous. This being known, nothing further shall remain for you to know.”


[Aside: Sri Sri Gaura Nitai ki jaya!]

Complete knowledge includes knowledge of the phenomenal world, the spirit behind it, and the source of both of them. This is transcendental knowledge. The Lord wants to explain the above-mentioned system of knowledge because Arjuna is Krsna’s confidential devotee and friend. In the beginning of the Fourth Chapter this explanation was given by the Lord, and it is again confirmed here: complete knowledge can be achieved only by the devotee of the Lord in disciplic succession directly from the Lord. Therefore one should be intelligent enough to know the source of all knowledge, who is the cause of all causes and the only object for meditation in all types of yoga practice. When the cause of all causes becomes known, then everything knowable becomes known, and nothing remains unknown. The Vedas (Mundaka Upanisad 1.1.3) say, kasminn u bhagavo viijñate sarvam idam vijñatam bhavatiti. [End of Purport]

Sankarshan das Adhikari: So, the point being made here is that, one who knows Krishna knows everything. As is stated in the Sri Isopanisad, "What can there be as illusion or anxiety for him"? In other words a person who is actually Krishna conscious cannot be in illusion and cannot be in anxiety. If we find ourselves in a state of illusion or state of anxiety then we can understand that we are not Krishna conscious. Because Krishna consciousness means that we are in a state completely free from illusion and completely free from all forms of anxiety. The obvious question would be, "This sounds great. I would love to be in a state of consciousness with no illusion and no anxiety, so how do I get there?” That would be the obvious question for any intelligent person. Only an absolute idiot would say, "No thank you, I am not interested. I would prefer to be in illusion and anxiety, sir". So, this today's lecture obviously you are not the foolish class of men and women. By attending this program you have proven that you are in the intelligent class of men and women. So, we will speak to you as the intelligent class. As those persons who actually want to know, "Who am I? Where have I come from? What is my purpose? How can I achieve it, etc.?” So, how did we get here? That is the question we ask sometimes. I was preaching at a school in Helsinki one time and I asked the students why do you exist? And one boy said, "Because my mother and father wanted to have a baby. That is why I exist.” But this young boy, he was not aware of the actual transcendental nature of the atma, the self. He was thinking that he was merely a combination of material elements. Atoms, molecules, cells, nails, hair, mucus, bile, stool, urine, vomit, all kinds of wonderful things. He was thinking, “This is who I am”. But the fact is that the self has an identity beyond the material body. The proof is that we can all remember experiences we had when we were little children. Even though the body we have now is completely different from the body we had then, we can clearly remember experiences. I remember the first time I went out to explore the world. Somehow my mother wasn't looking and I just walked out to explore the world. And I went to the nearby railroad track and I was walking down the railroad track. Luckily no train came because I didn't know what was a train. But somehow I made it back to home and my mother was very happy that I had returned. She was very, very relieved because she had no idea what had happened to me. Whether I had been kidnapped? She had no idea what had happened to me when I went off on my own little adventure and then I came home. So that body is gone. In the body I have now, all the atoms and chemicals are completely different from that body. Yet I remember that day when I set out to explore the world. So the self and the body are two different things. So what is this self now? This self is actually an emanation from God. The Lord, preferring not to be alone, emanates from Himself innumerable living beings just as the sun emanates countless rays of sunlight all over the universe. The Lord emanates from His transcendental form millions and billions of living entities called jivas and each jiva is completely unique. Just like when the winter comes there are millions and billions of snowflakes here in Lithuania and if you put those snowflakes under a microscope you will find there are no two snowflakes that are exactly the same. Each snow flake is completely different. So in the same way each and every living entity which is emanating from that Original Person has his own unique qualities and characteristics. Why? Because God is an Enjoyer. That is why. He doesn't want the same kind of relationship with every single jiva. That would get horribly boringly.

We say there are five rasas. But within those five divisions there are unlimited millions of subdivisions. So the Lord has a unique loving relationship with each and every one of those jivas to expand His own pleasure unlimitedly. So that is the reason we exist. We exist for the sole purpose of having a loving relationship with that original, beautiful, wonderful, sweet person, Krishna. That is why we cannot be happy unless we are Krishna conscious. And that is why we become so enlivened when we chant Hare Krishna. This is not an ordinary song like the Beatles or something. This is transcendental sound vibration. "golokera prema-dhana, hari-nama-sankirtana". This Hare Krishna mantra, it is coming from Goloka, from that original spiritual transcendental world. This very special sound vibration Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare has penetrated through the coverings of this material universe to rescue us from this dark miserable condition. So, if we chant these names with love, we will feel great ecstasy. These names are so powerful that even if we chant them with hate there will be some benefit. Just like Kamsa, he was always hating Krishna. "I want to kill Krishna". But he was getting some benefit. Actually Prabhupada wrote in one letter, he said “if you want to hate, then hate Krishna”. Somehow or the other be Krishna conscious. Actually there are two ways that you can be liberated from this material existence. You can become a pure devotee or you can become a big, big, big, big demon. You become so powerful that Krishna has to come and kill you because you are terrorizing the whole universe. So that is our program, either you become a pure devotee or you become such a big asura that just by the raising of your eyebrow you can send terror into the hearts of the demigods. I think it is easier to become a pure devotee. By Prabhupada's mercy it has become very easy. You just take some prasadam, you sing and dance in ecstasy and if you get little tired, then you take a nap. And then when you get up, you sing and dance some more. And when you get hungry you take some more prasadam. This is a big party going on. Big, big party. We are inviting the whole world here: “We are partying here at the Hare Krishna center and we are inviting everyone. Why are you suffering, you rascal? Come here and party with us. We are enjoying like anything.”

Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita, "susukham". This is joyfully performed. In this connection Srila Prabhupada said "You cannot find any point that it is troublesome". This was the early days before we called him Prabhupada. We used to call him Swamiji. He said, "You cannot find any point that you could say “Swamiji, this point is troublesome". Prabhupada said, “There is no trouble at all, it is simply recreation”- "Susukham". So it is a very nice process. And do you know what are ‘simply wonderfuls’ - those sweet balls, ‘simply wonderfuls’? Everyone knows what “simply wonderfuls” are.

You used to distribute before. Yes. One devotee asked Srila Prabhupada. He said, "Srila Prabhupada, what happens when we give somebody on the street a ‘simply wonderful’? Prabhupada said, “He will take that wonderful sweet and he will become simply wonderful. He will come to your temple.” And then Prabhupada said, “This process of Krishna consciousness is simply wonderful. Krishna is simply wonderful. And you all are simply wonderful”. And then one devotee said, "Prabhupada is simply wonderful". And Prabhupada said, "That is alright. Have kirtana". So, you are all simply wonderful people. You have come here today to this simply wonderful temple to associate with these simply wonderful devotees, to hear this simply wonderful philosophy to chant this simply wonderful Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare and to go to that simply wonderful spiritual world where time, suffering and anxiety are conspicuous by their absence. Does anyone have some simply wonderful questions? Who here would like to become simply wonderful? Very good! Why would you like to become simply wonderful? Can you answer my question? Why would you like to be simply wonderful?

Devotee: To help others.

SDA: Yes. That is very good. A devotee is called "para dukha dukhi". He is very sad to see the suffering of others. A materialistic person, he is very happy to see other people suffering because it gives him a sense of pride. Just see how great I am! The poor people are scrounging for their meals and I am eating very nicely because I am very great. That is the mood of a materialistic person. But a spiritual person he is para dukha dukhi, he is very unhappy to see other people suffering. And therefore he wants to relieve their suffering by giving them this sublime process of Krishna consciousness. This Krishna consciousness is not imposing anything on anyone. It is bringing out the original natural consciousness which is already there within the heart. Just like a match contains fire within it. And all you have to do is strike the match and the fire comes out from it. So Krishna consciousness is present within the heart of all living beings. And by the mercy of a devotee that Krishna consciousness can be revived. So become a devotee and be merciful to all others so that they can also become devotees. This is the sum and substance of the Krishna consciousness movement.

Anything else? So I have a policy. If you don't ask me questions, I will start asking you questions. It’s much easier to ask the question than it is to be asked the question. So if you are smart, you will ask me questions.

Devotee: Maybe you can explain a little bit more about this situation that we are meant to give pleasure to the Lord. That is our constitutional position. Does it mean that if we are unhappy then the Lord is also unhappy? Can you elaborate that part?

SDA: Yes. So the parent is happy when their child is happy and they are very sad when their child is suffering. That is a fact with Krishna also. Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu who is the most merciful manifestation of Krishna is in the state of great transcendental anxiety, Prabhupada explains in the Caitanya-caritamrita, to see the suffering of the fallen conditioned souls. So, one who takes up preaching work on behalf of Lord Caitanya, Srila Prabhupada explains, is relieving Lord Caitanya of some of His burden. In other words he is sharing the burden of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. So you can just imagine how dear to the Lord is such a devotee. And this is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gita that there is no one more dear to the Lord than that devotee who preaches His glories. The fact is that Krishna will be pleased very, very much when we surrender to Him. He has been watching and waiting for millions of lifetimes. "When will this soul come back to Me?” He has been very unhappy to see how we are lost in sense gratification, and when we finally come to our senses by the mercy of Guru, by the mercy of Krishna, by the mercy of the Vaisnavas then Krishna is so, so happy. Hare Krishna. Questions more? Actually, this is the instruction of the Bhagavad-gita:

tad viddhi pranipatena
pariprasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jñanam
jñaninas tattva-darsinah

“One should try to learn the truth by approaching the spiritual master. One should inquire submissively”. So if you are all serious to awaken the dormant Krishna consciousness within, then you should take heed of the instruction of Krishna that when you are in the presence of the spiritual master you should inquire. So that is very helpful if you can inquire. It will benefit you greatly. So, our tendency is to remain dull headed. We have been dull headed for millions of lifetimes running after sense gratification and our tendency is to remain dull. So what can be done in our dull headed condition? We have to keep taking prasadam and gradually we will start to get some intelligence by taking prasadam. This prasadam is a very wonderful thing. It purifies the heart, it purifies the consciousness, it purifies the brain, it enlivens the tongue, it gives energy to the body. It is a very nice thing. Actually when I joined this movement, I heard that if you want to make advancement you have to please the spiritual master. Now I was wondering. How will I ever do that? I was thinking, “How will I please the spiritual master?” And then I heard, 'caturvidha sri bhagavad prasadam". That if you take prasadam, the spiritual master is pleased. So I was thinking, “Yes, I can handle this movement”. I can take prasadam. So even if you can’t do anything else If you can handle taking prasadam when you come to the center and you take prasadam regularly then you will make nice advancement back to home, back to Godhead even if you don't have any questions. Even if your only question is where is the prasadam. You will still be okay. Actually I can give you one hint. If you are wondering “what is the question that I should ask, I don't want to ask a stupid question in front of everyone”. If you want to know what is the perfect question that you can ask. That is the question that Srila Prabhupada asked to Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura. “How can I serve you”? That was the one question that Prabhupada asked. So we don't know what question to ask and we have already asked where is the prasadam? And we want to ask some question to appear that we have some intelligence then all we have to do is ask, “How can I serve?” [Aside: Sri Sri Gaura Nitai ki jaya] You can approach the temple leaders here, Shyamananda Prabhu, Daya Govinda and you just say, "Is there some service I can do at this temple? Please tell me what service I can do.” It is very important that you not only come and take knowledge and take mercy, but you must give service also. That exchange of give and take is the secret of how to advance in Krishna consciousness very quickly. So whenever you come, ask, “What service can I do?” That is the only question you ask. You will advance very quickly in Krishna consciousness.

So, someone might ask, “Why I should be interested in Krishna consciousness?” Most of the people walking around Vilnius today have no interest in Krishna consciousness. Why they don't have any interest in Krishna consciousness? Well, the first thing is that they don't know what it is. Anyone who actually understands what is Krishna consciousness will naturally be attracted. Prabhupada explains that the word Krishna means "greatest pleasure". "Krish" means greatest and "na" means pleasure. So if we ask one gentleman, “Are you interested in the greatest pleasure?” he will probably be interested. "Oh yes, what is the greatest pleasure?" You say, "My dear sir, there is one pleasure which is greater than anything you have ever tasted. And if you like, I will give it to you now". Only a fool would not be interested to hear about it. That greatest pleasure is Krishna. So the question is "Why then is Krishna the greatest pleasure"? In this material world what do they say is the greatest pleasure- sex? Isn't it? Bhagavatam confirms. "yan maithunadi-grihamedhi-sukham hi tuccham”. That sexual pleasure is considered the number one pleasure by the materialistic person. But the Bhagavatam says that pleasure is actually "hi tucham", it is insignificant. So, this means that the pleasure of chanting "Hare Krishna" is millions and billions of times more enjoyable than sex. So if someone is thinking that sex pleasure is very, very much fun, they should know that the pleasure of chanting Hare Krishna is millions and billions and trillions and quadrillions of times more relishable than any sex pleasure. The devotees, they give up illicit sex life and they take to chanting Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare / Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, with great delight. They are not frustrated. The ordinary materialistic person, if you tell him, “Now you have to give up sex”, he will become extremely frustrated and you tell him, "No meat." he will become even more frustrated. And you tell him "No liquor, no cigarettes, no lottery". He will become even more frustrated. So, why the Hare Krishna people are not frustrated? We have given up all the things that are considered the necessities of life by the ordinary citizens of Lithuania. Who can answer my question? Why are we not frustrated?

Devotee: There is no need for that.

SDA: That is right. Why? Why is there no need?

Devotee: Love is what you need.

SDA: What is love?

Translator: He says "I guess it is Krishna".

SDA: Yes. They have to love Krishna. By loving Krishna then, just like when you eat, you feed your belly. Every part of the body requires nutrition. Your elbow also requires nutrition. So when you sit down to eat do you stick your elbow in the bowl of soup? No. You simply put the soup in your belly and then the soup automatically goes to every part of your body. Goes to your elbow, goes to your nose, goes to your earlobe, and goes to your toes, everywhere. So when we give our love to Krishna, then everything becomes loved. You become loved, your friend becomes loved, your family members become loved, the birds in the sky become loved, the dogs running down the street become loved. When we give our love to Krishna, our love goes even to the little microbial germs which we can't even see. Therefore Krishna consciousness means universal love. The fact is that the more we give love, the more we are happy. A miserly stingy person is miserable. I don't know about Lithuanian, but in English language the words are very similar- "miser" and "miserable". Is it similar in Lithuanian also? It is different. In English language, the word for a selfish person and the word for misery are the same. So, the idea is the more we can be giving persons, the person who give to others, to the widest possible number of others, that is how our happiness grows. The more that our love expands, the more our circle of love expands to more and more living beings, our happiness becomes greater and greater. So when we give our love to Krishna, then automatically our love goes to absolutely every living being in the entire totality of existence. I was going to say to every living entity in the universe, but according to the Vedas this universe is only one out of billions of universes. So when I say universal love actually it is supra universal love. Universal love is still limited to this particular universe. There are millions and billions of universes and beyond the total conglomeration of universes which is called the material sky, or in Sanskrit- the aparavyoma. There is another vyoma or sky called paravyoma. That is the spiritual sky. So, when you give your love to Krishna, you love Krishna, you love all His expanded visnu-tattva forms, you love Lord Siva, you love all the infinite number of eternally liberated souls who live in the spiritual world. You love all the demigods, who control all the planets within this material world and you love each and every member each of the 8,400,000 species. There is not one single living being from whom your love is restricted. It goes to absolutely every single entity. So when you can love everyone at every minute, when you can love them perfectly without any desire for sense gratification or selfish returns then you have truly achieved that state of enlightenment, that ultimate perfection of spiritual enlightenment called Bhagavan realization or Krishna consciousness.

So does anyone have any questions? Yes. [Claps hands] Very good. Question. Very good! Jaya Hare Krishna! Somebody is not dull headed out there that’s for sure. There is no such thing as stupid question. The only stupid question is the one that you did not ask. When you ask questions, that is a sign of intelligence.

Devotee: You cited a verse from Isopanisad about when one gets the knowledge there is no anxiety for him anymore.

SDA: That is right. No illusion or anxiety. That is right.

Devotee: Yes, illusion or anxiety. So question is how knowledge destroys anxiety?

SDA: Yes. The question is very nice. How does knowledge destroy anxiety? So, our anxiety is simply due to ignorance. Our actual identity is sat-cit-ananda vigrahah. We are eternal, we are full of bliss and we are full of knowledge. That is the actual reality. Just like a son of a rich man. He has all facilities for enjoyment. But he somehow or the other he was away from home, he fell down and he hit his head, he lost his ID's and he forgot who he was. He is wandering around in complete anxiety, doesn't know how to eat, he doesn't know where he is going to sleep because he is ignorant of the fact that he is the son of that very rich man. Now he is in great distress. He is thinking how will I ever survive in this world. But if he simply knows who his father is, then he can go back to his house and all his problems are solved. So if you can simply know that I am the eternal servant of Krishna, if you simply go back to your father's house, then all of your problems are immediately solved.

[Devotee asks a question in Lithuanian]

Translator: She is asking why academic education is not that knowledge.

SDA: Yes. Actually what they call academic education is not really as academic as they say it is. What the so-called academics claim is, that they are open minded intellectuals. But the fact is they have a very strong bias against scriptural knowledge. One teacher in a university, in a Sanskrit class, stated that the descriptions in the Vedas are mythology. He is thinking that he has a very good academic viewpoint. But the fact is such a prejudicial bias without any proof of the mythological nature of the Vedas, is not at all academic. In other words, the point is the so called academics are not actually academic. The Vaisnava philosopher is actually truly academic. He does not accept or reject things blindly. Prabhupada explains in his purport in Bhagavad-gita to 4.34 that blind following is condemned. By the same token, blind rejection is also condemned. The so-called academics are grossly guilty of blind rejection. If one is truly academic or truly an open minded intellectual, one can take the Bhagavad-gita and say, “Well, it may be true, or it may not be true. Let me, with a completely open mind, hear and study and learn to see if it is true or not.” That is a genuine academic approach. So again, these so-called academics are not academic. A Vaisnava has a very open mind. Prabhupada says he is an independent thinker. I have not accepted this Krishna consciousness blindly. I am a lover of truth. If you can show me a truth that is higher than Krishna consciousness, I will reject this Krishna conscious movement and I will become your disciple. If you can show me something higher, I will become your disciple. I will give up Krishna, I will give up Prabhupada and I will follow you, if you can show me something higher. I have been making this challenge for 34 years, wherever I go all over the world. If you can show me something higher than Krishna consciousness, I am your follower. But no one’s been able to do it. It is still an open challenge. Can anyone here today show me something higher than Krishna consciousness? I am ready to reject it if you can show me something higher. Let us see who has something higher. I have been trying for so many years to find someone who has something higher. It really looks to me like Krishna consciousness is the Absolute Truth. Because this is the only philosophy I have ever found that explains absolutely everything. It explains what is going on in your mind. It explains what is going on amongst your friends, your family members, the whole world society, the ecology, the astrology, it explains everything. It is the perfect philosophy. So when Krishna says, “Raja-vidya, raja-guhyam”, that this knowledge is the king of education, I believe it because it explains everything perfectly. But I have not reached this conclusion by blind non-academic dogmatism. I have reached this conclusion scientifically. And what do they do in science? They do an experiment, right? They perform an experiment. They judge by the results of the experiment. When I moved into the temple as a brahmacari, I did not do so to become a devotee. I told the temple president, I have not come here to become a devotee. I am simply here to make an experiment to see what I can learn by living this life as a brahmacari. Just like sometimes a sociologist will go to live with the natives to learn about their culture. So I was just thinking, I will go and I will live with these devotees, I will learn about their culture. I will get a very good experience of their philosophy, their practices, how they meditate and everything. I am sure it will benefit me. But I am not necessarily going to become a devotee. I am just there to check it out to see what I can learn. But I can honestly tell you it did not take very long for me to realize, that there is nothing more wonderful, nothing more perfect, nothing more pure, nothing more enlivening, nothing more wonderful than completely surrendering at the lotus feet of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Srila Prabhupada ki jaya!

Devotee: In continuation with this maybe you can speak to us about some remembrance about this simply wonderful personality, give us some testimonials you have about him?

SDA: Hmm. About Prabhupada? Yes. So, many times people say, "Well, how did you first meet Prabhupada"? And I can tell you that I fully surrendered to Srila Prabhupada as my spiritual master before I ever laid eyes on him. I was a seeker of the Absolute Truth. I wanted to know what is the will of God for me. So I was praying very intensely to the Lord to guide me how to become His perfect servant. And one disciple of Prabhupada, His Holiness Visnujana Maharaja, he came to the town I was living in, Austin, Texas and he started this Hare Krishna movement there. So I was very attracted to hear from him. He told me about this wonderful philosophy, and he told me about his wonderful spiritual master. And I could see how wonderful was his life. And I was thinking I would like to have a life like Visnujana Maharaja's life and that is how I was introduced to Prabhupada. So, the first time I actually saw him, I was just waiting when I would get initiated. And actually I mentioned this morning, the first time I saw Prabhupada was in July of 1971. He flew into the San Francisco airport and went straight to the Ratha Yatra site. So the very first word I heard from Prabhupada's lotus mouth was this sweetest of all transcendental vibrations, "Jagannatha". So most of my associations with Srila Prabhupada were by writing letters, because I was not in a major temple like Los Angeles or New York. I was always in some preaching center that was somewhat remote. I don't think Prabhupada ever actually came to where I was. I had to go to where Prabhupada was. But of course, that’s what lot of us did in those days. We would all head out en masse to wherever Prabhupada was. We were there with him in San Francisco at the Ratha Yatra and then Prabhupada flew back down to Los Angeles. I remember we were driving down to Los Angeles, the devotee who was driving that van so fast, it was like we were flying down the freeway, because we didn't want to miss even one minute of Prabhupada's association. So we spend several days with him at the Los Angeles temple and it was very nice. When Prabhupada would go on his morning walk, he would come back to the temple. There is a special little practice that Prabhupada did every day. We would all line up from the place where he would get out of his car on the side walk going back to his quarters. And each devotee would have a flower in the hand and then Prabhupada would get out of the car and he would come down the road. And with each devotee he would give him a flower and he would give Prabhupada the flower. There would be that personal exchange between; you would have a moment with Prabhupada. Every devotee had their moment when they were face to face with Prabhupada. They were handing him a flower, he would hand them a flower. It was so sweet and so wonderful. I was right near the front of the line because I was with Visnujana Maharaja and he was the first in line. But he got something a lot more than the flower. He got a big hug. So I felt really good. I was standing right there just a few feet away watching that person who had made me a devotee get the most wonderful loving embrace from Srila Prabhupada. And I was just thinking how fortunate I am to be one of Visnujana Maharaja's men. So then Prabhupada gave me a flower. I gave Prabhupada a flower and then he gave me the flower. And I was thinking what will I do with this flower? This is a very special flower. It has come from the hands of Srila Prabhupada. I don't want to lose this flower. How will I make sure I don't lose it? I will eat it! And I did, I ate the flower. It tasted pretty good. And so, Prabhupada is continuing to go down the row of devotees. And if you have ever been to Los Angeles, the temple, there are some steps there. So I just wanted to see Prabhupada again. So I just stood there on the steps and watched Prabhupada as he came by. And Prabhupada was very kind to me. He saw me standing there not in the line and he looked to me. He didn't say one word. But with his face and his body language, he asked me one question. He went like this. In other words “Did you get a flower yet"? He asked. And I was very happy. Prabhupada was asking me “if I got a flower yet”. And I said "Yes". I just shake my head. I didn’t say anything. And said "Yes" like this and smiled. So I was so happy, that Prabhupada had wanted to make sure that I had gotten my flower. I was not a big devotee. I was just some young brahmacari, not initiated, but Prabhupada wanted to make sure that I got my flower from his lotus hand. So this is the love and the kindness of Srila Prabhupada. Just as he felt for me that he wanted to make sure I am getting my flower, Srila Prabhupada also wants to make sure that you get your flower. Hare Krishna! Srila Prabhupada ki Jaya! He wants to make sure that every one of you get your flower. [Laughter]

So, any other questions? These are very nice questions. You keep asking questions. Everyone else is dull headed. But you have a very good brain. You ask questions.

Devotee: What does it mean, there is saying that one who knows Krishna he knows everything?

SDA: Ah! Yes. Krishna is not alone. Krishna is the source of everything. Everything that exists is the energy of Krishna. Absolutely everything exists in relationship with Krishna. Not a blade of grass can move without the will of Lord Sri Krishna. Absolutely everything is connected with Him. So when you know Him perfectly, because everything else functions in its relationship with Him, in this way you become the perfect knower of everything. Do you understand?

Devotee: When Srila Prabhupada was writing his book, he made mistakes, like grammatical mistakes. So does that mean the spiritual master cannot know something perfectly?

SDA: Actually the spiritual master by Krishna's grace can, Prabhupada could have if Krishna wanted him to, he could have done everything. He could have not required English editors for example. Krishna could have easily empowered Prabhupada to have perfect university professor perfect knowledge of English grammar. But Krishna did not do so for a reason. One reason is sweetness. We relish Prabhupada's style of English. It was very relishable for us to hear Prabhupada sometimes mispronounce English. We loved it. Just like Prabhupada could not say, there was one British Lord whose name was Lord Zetland. Prabhupada cannot pronounce that "Zet". As a Bengali speaker, he said Lord Jetland. He could not say that "Zet". Krishna could have empowered him to do that. But by keeping him in that Bengali style, it was very sweet and appealing to us. It was all the arrangement of Krishna. Prabhupada's style, his personality, everything about him somehow or other totally captured thousands and thousands of boys and girls. Therefore everything about Srila Prabhupada is perfect even his grammatical mistakes.

Devotee: You very nicely told about how Hare Krishna mantra chanting influences people's lives and how it can forgo the sensual pleasures but when we go on Harinama kirtana so many people have a chance to hear the sound, the vibration of the holy name, but they don't change their lives. Why they don't change?

SDA: You don't realize how they have been changed. That change has already begun. It would just take some time to unfold that is all. You have planted within their hearts the seed of change. And that day will come when that seed will fructify. And they will come to you and they will beg you to train them how to become a devotee. So, continue to do this Harinama sankirtana as much as possible to purify the hearts of the living being.

Vishnupriya Mataji: We don't see the changes in the people when we do Harinama because the reason Krishna wants us to be purified, to do it un-motivated.

SDA: Translate into Lithuanian for the people.

Translator: I am trying to.

SDA: Oh, you didn't hear the question?

Translator: I didn't completely understand.

SDA: Oh, ok. The question is, I will ask it again then. You can tell me if I understood your question correctly. If we are meant to chant without any motivation, then why do we need to worry whether the people take it or not it is for our own purification? Is that the correct question?

VPM: But Krishna also wants that we should perform service un-motivated, and not expect results.

SDA: Yes. So we are meant to serve without any expectation of results. So why do we have to worry whether they take it or not. Why not just do it on the order of Krishna? The point that Vishnupriya Mataji is making is correct. One does not have to take to it otherwise I will not chant. We can go back to Prabhupada himself now to prove this point. When I was blessed to be in Prabhupada's presence in 1975 in Atlanta, he was explaining about Lord Jetland or Lord Zetland. That when his god-brothers went to England, they were preaching to Lord Zetland and Lord Zetland asked them, "Swamiji, can you make me a brahmana?" And Prabhupada's god-brother told Lord Zetland, "Yes. I can make you a brahmana. You simply have to follow these principles. No illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication and no gambling". Lord Zetland immediately replied, "Impossible". So, Prabhupada told us then, "I was thinking when I came to your country that as soon as I tell them no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no intoxication and no gambling", they will immediately tell me, "Please go home". So Prabhupada was thinking that “I will not be successful”. But he said "Still I thought, let me try". So, when Prabhupada said that, I realized, because Prabhupada tried, therefore I was saved, and I yelled out "Jaya!" and every devotee in the room felt the same way and everybody went "Jaya". Because Prabhupada tried, even though he felt he would not be successful. So the point is we have to try to save them for the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada. Even if not one person is saved we simply go out and try to save them because that endeavor pleases Srila Prabhupada.

VPM: There is another incident which happened in South India, when the devotees were preaching there, they were not getting results. They told Srila Prabhupada we are preaching and working so hard but we are not getting results. Then Prabhupada told them, "Why are you expecting results? You should go on and you will get the results. Don't expect results”. And then the devotees were doing their chanting and all that, then unexpected results came up.

SDA: It is too much for him to translate. You got to break it up.

Translator: I can remember.

SDA: Oh, good.

[Translator translates into Lithuanian]

SDA: Any other questions or comments? Is there some question on the paper?

Devotee: How did you come to Krishna consciousness?

SDA: Ah! How did I come to Krishna consciousness? Actually I didn't. It came to me. Actually because I was praying to the Lord I felt that there is no happiness in this material world. I felt that the only way out of this hellish material existence was to fully surrender myself to the will of God. But the only problem was I didn't know what God wanted me to do! I had no idea how I could find out. I was waiting for a voice from the sky. "This is what you are to do". But no voice was coming. So, I was wondering how will I ever solve my quagmire, my problem. But I knew that one day it would be revealed to me. One person told me that God could hear my prayers, God could hear me. So I thought, alright I would just ask God. I will keep asking Him and asking Him and asking Him day after day after day after day to tell me how I can be His perfect servant. So because I was sincerely begging the Lord to guide me how to be His perfect servant, one day that knock came on the door. [imitates knocking] “There is a Hare Krishna Swami in town. He will be at my apartment in one hour”. That was the answer to my prayer. His Holiness Visnujana Maharaja came, and he told me about this wonderful process of Krishna consciousness and I thought, “Let me try. Let me check it out.| And it worked, and it is still working. It is getting better all the time. Do you know a surrendered devotee? Have you fully come to Krishna consciousness? So what is holding you back?

Devotee: Myself.

SDA: So, give up all of those impediments. Now you must fully come to Krishna consciousness. I guarantee you if you fully surrender yourself to Krishna, you will find it to be strikingly wonderful. You are doing nothing but torturing yourself by not completely surrendering to Krishna right now. In fact that is my invitation to each and every one of you in this room. If you have not fully surrendered to Krishna yet, please do yourself a favor and fully surrender at the lotus feet of Lord Sri Krishna right now.

Devotee: What it means to fully surrender?

SDA: Yes. Fully surrender to Krishna. There are three channels through which we surrender to Krishna. One is Guru, we have to have a bona fide spiritual master, the second one is the Vaisnavas that is called sadhus, the saintly devotees of the Lord. We need to become a member of the spiritual family. Join into that family with complete sincerity and enthusiasm. just like there is a community here. You should do everything you can to help this devotee community here to be wonderful family of devotees. The third aspect is called sastras or scriptures. You should read Srila Prabhupada's books very carefully and follow all of his instructions. Are you chanting sixteen rounds regularly? Are you an initiated disciple?

Devotee: Yes.

SDA: Ok. That is very good. You are on the right track. Now full surrender means that every thought, every deed and every word that comes out of your mouth is fully pleasing to Guru, fully pleasing to Vaisnavas and completely in accordance with scripture. So, that is your full surrender. You should never have a thought which is against the scripture, which is not pleasing to the devotees, and is not pleasing to your guru. You should never speak something which is displeasing to your spiritual master, which is displeasing to the Vaisnavas or is against the descriptions given in Srila Prabhupada's books. You should never do something which is against Prabhupada's books which doesn't please the devotees, and doesn't please your spiritual master. If you can meet all of these conditions, in all times, in all places and in all circumstances then you are a fully surrendered devotee. So now you train yourself how to do that. You take help from the devotees. You take help from your spiritual master. You take help from Srila Prabhupada, you take help from the Hare Krishna mantra, you take help from Sri Sri Gaura-Nitai. You take help from prasadam and learn how to become fully surrendered.

Devotee: How to make compatible our mind and our heart, you explained something about this but maybe you can elaborate?

SDA: How to make the mind and heart compatible with Krishna consciousness?

Devotee: Make go together. Mind and heart go together.

SDA: Oh. You mean your intelligence along with your feelings.

Devotee: Yes.

SDA: Yes. This is a very good question. It is a very intelligent question. Of course, you are all intelligent. Srila Prabhupada explains that there are two things, philosophy and religion. He says, religion without philosophy is sentiment. And sometimes it is fanaticism. And he says that philosophy without religion is mental speculation. So both things are very important. Religion means loving sentiments towards God. That is very important. We have to have those sentiments, that emotion towards the Lord. That is very important. And at the same time, we have to have philosophy also, intelligence, because material emotions are also there. And if we don't have proper intelligence by hearing from guru, by hearing from Vaisnavas and hearing from scripture, then we will probably remain caught up in material emotions. So we really have to have the guidance of Vedic wisdom, Vaisnavas and Guru to make sure our emotions, our feelings are being properly coming, properly expressed, properly directed etc. Feeling or sentiment or emotion is very important in Krishna consciousness. In San Francisco, Prabhupada mentioned chanting and dancing in emotional love of God. So we have to have feelings or sentiments. We are not cold hearted impersonalists, jñanis. Those who simply have knowledge but don't have feelings they are called jñanis. They will have to take birth after birth after birth before the emotions or feelings of love of God will awaken in their hearts. What is Prabhupada's name? Bhaktivedanta. So, Vedanta means intelligent. And bhakti, that is the heart of the feelings. So, which comes first, Bhakti or Vedanta? Prabhupada's name is Bhaktivedanta. It is not Vedantabhakti. It is not A.C. Vedantabhakti Swami. It is A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. So that feeling is very important. We have to chant like a small child crying out for the mother: Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare / Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. And at the same time, we study Bhagavad-gita, Sri Isopanisad, Srimad Bhagavatam to understand in full detail the intelligent Vedic philosophy. Intelligence means the lecture and bhakti or feeling means the laboratory. Just like any chemistry course in college, you will sit in the lecture and you will take notes. H20 equals water. So, that is intelligence. You understand with your intelligence H20 equals water. And then the next day after the lecture, you go to the laboratory and you mix in the test tube 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. What do you get? You get water. So that is the heart. You apply this philosophy of Krishna consciousness and what is the result? Your heart dances in ecstasy.

So we are going a little, way over time now, so we will go ahead and stop here. We thank you all very much. We look forward to, I think I will be giving a class tomorrow morning also those who want to come at 7:40 AM, I will be here giving my final class for this visit. If anybody wants to speak with me personally, you are welcome to do that. If anybody would like to correspond with me via email also, you can approach me and get my email address. I am dedicated to help each and every one of you to achieve the perfection in Krishna consciousness.

Srila Prabhupada ki Jaya!

Srila Sankarshan das Adhikari Maharaja ki jaya!

Ananta koti Vaishnava vrinda ki jaya!


[Transcribed by Her Grace Bhaktin Priya]

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